What do you do when your spouse doesn’t parent the same way you do? Hands-down, this is one of the most frequently asked questions we receive at Empowering Parents. “I want to set limits and give consequences, but he thinks I’m being too hard on our kids,” said one mother recently. “I’m tired of being the bad guy all the time!” Not only is that unhealthy for your relationship, it’s not good for your children, who often use that lack of agreement to take advantage of the situation.
James Lehman, MSW, sat down with EP Editor Elisabeth Wilkins to talk about this difficult issue. Read on to see why fighting with your spouse over parenting actually undermines your own authority in the long run.
“It’s very important to come up with a cohesive plan to which you both adhere—or your child is liable to fall through the cracks of your lack of agreement.”
James, why do so many people end up at odds about how to parent their children?
JL: To me, marriage is like a book. There are many pages in the marriage, with different pages representing different aspects of your life. You have parenting, household duties, extended family, and of course, your relationship with your spouse and children.
I think it’s important for you to realize that it’s natural for parents to end up on different pages; sometimes infrequently, sometimes often. People will disagree about a lot of core issues in a marriage; it’s very normal for two adults to see the world in two different ways. But things that are subtle differences can become more burdensome over time. So often, something that starts out as a little conflict can grow until you and your spouse aren’t on the same page in dealing with that issue—for some reason, you aren’t able to develop a common strategy for dealing with the problem. This may be okay in some instances—let’s say you keep your car very clean but your spouse is a little more lax, and the two of you learn to live with that. But when it comes to your children, it’s a whole different ball game. I think people have to really take a look at themselves and step back and say, “Our children are very important to us, so we need to come together on this.” It’s very important to come up with a cohesive plan to which you both adhere—or your child is liable to fall through the cracks of your lack of agreement. And this is especially true when you have a child with behavioral problems, because besides putting extra stress on a marriage, you need to be united in teaching that child firm, clear rules.
I believe the three main parenting roles for both parents are the Teaching, Coaching and Limit-setting roles. In fact, I can’t stress enough how necessary all these roles are to being an effective parent.
James, you talk a lot about limit-setting in your articles and your programs. Why do you see it as being so critically important for both parents?
JL: It’s simple: the world has a lot of limits. There are a lot of rules around how you treat other people, how you handle your finances, how you act at work. I think kids need to learn to respond to those limits from both parents from a very early age. Part of socialization for kids is learning that there are rules, with consequences and rewards attached. And by the way, by “socialization,” I mean how your son or daughter should transform from being an individual child to being an adult member of a larger group or society. That larger group can be a student in a classroom, a family member, an employee at a corporation or somebody riding a plane with 300 other passengers. Kids need to learn how to handle those situations when they become adults. That’s why both parents need to set clear expectations and limits on their kids’ behavior.
The problem is that a lot of parents aren’t modeling this right now. They may be saying “You’ve got to respect authority” but then they give a policeman the finger with their six-year-old sitting in the car. That’s why I always stress the importance of being a role model to parents.
I personally believe in a process where kids are given responsibilities, taught how to accomplish those responsibilities and then held accountable for meeting their responsibilities. So for parents, that means you give clear instructions to your children, do whatever it takes to make sure your child understands what’s going on, and then you hold them accountable for maintaining the level of performance that you expect. An example might be how they should treat their siblings. You tell them what the rules are: no hitting, for instance. You make sure they understand how they are supposed to behave, and what happens if they don’t—what the consequence will be. And then you hold them accountable and follow through. You have them make amends if necessary.
What about when parents disagree about how to give a consequence or discipline their child?
JL: If you and your spouse disagree over how to handle your child’s behavior, it should never be discussed in front of your child—period. Realize that when one parent undermines the other parent in this way, it hurts both parents. That’s because your child is going to question both of you. Sometimes, kids feel like they have to choose sides. And not only that, they’re going to feel insecure that the two of you don’t seem to know what to do—because after all, if you knew what to do, you’d be agreeing. So these things have to be handled privately.
It’s the same way that you can’t disrespect the teacher’s authority without undermining your own later on. The attitude that, “Well, my teacher is stupid and I don’t have to listen to him,” quickly becomes, when your child gets to adolescence, “My parents are stupid and I don’t have to listen to them.” And so the more you disrespect other legitimate authority figures, the more you’re undermining your own authority.
James, let’s say you haven’t been on the same page with your spouse as much as you’d like up until now, but you want to start working together more. What’s the first step?
JL: I think the key is to start by finding one thing you can both agree on and go from there. When I worked with parents in my office, I’d say, “Get together as a couple and work at one item at a time. Let’s just deal with one thing: bed time, for instance, or how your child has been breaking things when he’s angry.”
So take one thing that you can agree on and then start making limits on that—and being supportive of each other. I think that if you can agree on one thing, it’s easier to move on to another. Once one thing is working, you can build some momentum and form the basis of an agreement on parenting your child.
Realize that a compromise has to be made when your spouse says, for example, “I don’t think we should have a bed time,” and you say, “Our son should go to bed at eight o’clock.” You have to be open to your spouse’s statement. Here’s another example: you’ll often have two parents disagreeing over sibling fighting. One parent will say, “Nathan is picking on his younger sister. He’s being hurtful and needs to be given consequences.” And the other parent is responding with, “Yeah, but Emily teases him a lot. She brings it on herself.” These two parents have to sit down and figure out what they’re going to do about the situation together—and out of earshot of the child. And both parents have to be open to the other person’s ideas and perceptions. The parent who’s trying to give consequences to the older child has to be able to be heard by the parent who thinks the younger child is setting the situation up purposefully. Compromise in this situation would have to do with holding both kids responsible so that there’s a consequence for antagonizing, just like there’s a consequence for hurtful behavior.
What would you say to parents who write in and say, “I hate being the bad guy! My spouse makes me do all the dirty work.”
JL: When one parent is stuck in the role of disciplinarian and the other is the nice guy, we call that “good cop/bad cop parenting”. If you’re tired of playing the role of the “bad cop,” you need to talk to your spouse. Ask them to pick one thing that they’ll take the lead on—maybe it’s doing homework or bedtime. After they’ve taken that duty on for awhile, you can sit down again and talk about some other areas of limit-setting they could take the lead on.
Also, remember that it’s not unusual for one person to be a stronger limit-setter than the other, because everyone’s personality is different. It’s common for one of the adults in the marriage to be a stronger in that regard than the other. As long as both adults agree and are supportive of one another, there shouldn’t be a problem. I go back to the idea that my son didn’t need two of me—he needed one of me and one of my wife. We worked together to agree on everything and we both articulated our position when dealing with our son and his behavior.
What about parents who are working on getting on the same page, but then find they are gradually slipping back into those same old roles?
JL: Parents need to consciously work at making an effort to stay on the same page with their kids. It doesn’t come naturally. If one day you’re in agreement and then you start to feel that changing and slipping away, you and your spouse need to talk about it immediately. And by the way, disagreements you have over other things in your marriage will also affect the way you parent together. I’ll give you an example: let’s say there’s a disagreement about who’s doing more than their fair share of housework. You’re annoyed because you start to feel like you’re doing everything around the house. That often unconsciously affects how you’re both dealing with the page of your marriage entitled, “How we manage our children.”
If you feel like things have been slipping, you can start the conversation by saying, “Look, I feel like we’re out of sync lately. Let’s get back to being on the same page with Tommy.” If you’re not able to do that, then unfortunately you decrease the likelihood of your joint parenting being effective. Never forget, we’re talking about effective versus ineffective parenting, not good versus bad parenting. The bottom line is that if you’re not on the same page, you’re not going to be as effective.
James, you mention that kids sometimes use our lack of agreement to manipulate and take advantage. What do you mean by that?
JL: Kids are natural manipulators, just like puppies are—it’s a survival skill. The higher your cognitive abilities, the more natural it is to try to manipulate your environment. That’s why chimpanzees bang nuts with a stone until they open but cows don’t. It’s the same with children, who will naturally try everything they can to manipulate their environment—and that includes manipulating their parents. Adults do the same thing—have you ever tried to manipulate your boss when you wanted something? And do you remember trying to manipulate your own parents when you were a teenager?
But here’s where it breaks down in a family: if you disrespect your spouse in front of your kids or talk about them behind their back, you’re setting up a very serious situation. Make no mistake, eventually your kids are going to feel like they don’t have to respond to your spouse. They manipulate that by saying, “Mommy doesn’t make me do it that way,” or “Daddy said I could.” You’ll hear kids say that all the time; it’s an attempt to manipulate and divide the two of you. I think when you show kids that you’re in opposition to your spouse’s approach—when you show that you feel it’s stupid or irrelevant or impractical—what you’re doing is inviting your child to be disrespectful to your spouse. He will use that information to split the two of you and manipulate you against the other. And if you don’t get on the same page, that’s going to create real problems in your family.
What happens when you get entrenched in opposing roles as parents?
JL: To go back to our original analogy, when one parent is entrenched in opposition to the other parent on any one page of the marriage, it affects all the pages in the book. So if one parent doesn’t think the other parent is trying hard enough to take on more duties around the house, it affects the family globally. I’ve found that most parents aren’t able to simply be frustrated with their partner in one area and remain on common ground in other areas unless they consciously work on it. In the same way, once you start working on things together—once you choose that “one thing” that you will start doing the same way—it brings you together as a couple, and presents a united front to your children.
Let’s face it, compromising and coming together aren’t always easy; in fact, it’s very hard to do. If it wasn’t hard, I wouldn’t have had a career helping parents for the last 30 years. And why is compromising so difficult? It’s difficult because emotions and belief systems get involved. Personally, I think it’s of utmost importance to get together and make a commitment to working your parenting rules out for your children—no matter what else is going on in your marriage.
About James Lehman, MSW
James Lehman, who dedicated his life to behaviorally troubled youth, created The Total Transformation® Program, The Complete Guide to Consequences™, Getting Through To Your Child™, and Two Parents One Plan™, from a place of professional and personal experience. Having had severe behavioral problems himself as a child, he was inspired to focus on behavioral management professionally. Together with his wife, Janet Lehman, he developed an approach to managing children and teens that challenges them to solve their own problems without hiding behind disrespectful, obnoxious or abusive behavior. Empowering Parents now brings this insightful and impactful program directly to homes around the globe.